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ORDO w/c Sunday 20th October 2019 Vol I Issue viii

S20.10XIX Post Pentecost
(G) Missa “Salus populi” 
or… (& in UK)
Octave Day of S. Edward
(W) Missa “Os justi” 

2a) S. Edward 
3a) A Cunctis
Gl. Cr. Pref.Trinity
2a) XIX Post Pentecost
Gl. Cr. Pref.Trinity PLG
M21.10S. Ursula & Co VV. MM
(R) Missa “Loquebar” 
S. Hilarion Abbot
(W) Missa “Os justi” 

Gl. Cr. Pref.Common

Gl. Pref.Common
T22.10S. John Cantius C.
(W) Missa “Miseratio” 
d.Gl. Pref.Common
W23.10Our Most Holy Redeemer
(W) Missa “Gaudens” [mpal]
g.dGl. Cr. Pref.Cross
T24.10S. Raphael the Archangel
(W) Missa “Benedicite” 
g.dGl. Cr. Pref.Common
F25.10SS. Chrysanthus & Daria
(R) Missa “Intret”
or… (& in UK)
S. John of Beverley B&C
(W) Missa “Sacerdotes”

2a) a cunctis 3a) ProEccl
noGl. Pref.Common BD

Gl. Pref.Common
S26.10Vigil of SS. Simon & Jude
(V) Missa “Statuit”
d.2a) S. Evaristus
Gl. Pref.Apostles
S27.10XX Post Pentecost
(G) Missa “Omnia, quae” 
s.d2a) a cunctis 3a) ProEccl
Gl. Cr. Pref.Trinity 

KEY: A=Abbot A cunctis=of the Saints B=Bishop BD=Benedicamus Domino BVM=Blessed Virgin Mary C=Confessor Com=Commemoration Cr=Creed D=Doctor d=double d.i/ii=double of the 1st/2nd Class E=Evangelist F=Feria Gl=Gloria gr.d=greater-double (G)=Green H=Holy K=King M=Martyr mpal=missae pro aliquibus locis Mm=Martyrs Pent=Pentecost P=Priest PLG=Proper Last Gospel Pref=Preface ProEccl=for the Church (R)=Red s=simple s-d=semi-double Co=Companions V1=1st Vespers V=Virgin v=votive (V)=violet W=Widow (W)=white *Ob.=Obligation 2a=second oration 3a=third oration

AD MULTOS ANNOS to Bro Juniper-Mary n/CDC, birthday October 22nd!


… to this eighth edition of “The Old Roman” a weekly dissemination of news, views and information for and from around the world reflecting the experience and life of 21C “Old Romans” i.e. western Orthodox Catholics across the globe.
CONTRIBUTIONS… news items, magazine, devotional or theological articles, prayer requests, features about apostolates and parish mission life are ALL welcome and may be submitted via email. Submissions should be sent by Friday for publication the following Sunday.

The Old Roman VIEW…

After the shocking revelations of last week at the Vatican and Pan-Amazonian Synod, events this week have only served to confirm the regrettable trajectory into heresy and apostasy contemporary Rome is falling into. With Synod bishops openly discussing the ordination of women as deacons, one bishop even advocating off-the-cuff to the press that he and others see this as a first step toward women priests… its clear that Rome, like Canterbury, is refashioning Christianity into another religion.

The current teaching of the Roman Church on ordination, as expressed in the Code of Canon Law, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the apostolic letter Ordinatio sacerdotalis, is that only a Catholic male validly receives ordination, and “that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgement is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.” This is consistent with the received Tradition and praxis of the Church throughout the ages.

Though there were deaconesses in the early Church, the First Council of Nicaea decreed that deaconesses were not ordained ministers and were to be considered lay persons [cf Canon XIX]. Deaconesses did not serve at the altar but assisted in the catechesis, baptism and pastoral care of women for propriety’s sake, being themselves consecrated virgins or widows and forbidden marriage. Though there is some debate among scholars as to whether or not the ordination of deaconesses was similar to that of deacons, the evidence is not conclusive and certainly the role and duties of deaconesses were different from those of male deacons.

Of course, God in His essence is neither male or female, neither essentially masculine or feminine. However, God, in His relation to His creation, does have a masculine aspect. This is clear in the way God has revealed Himself, and is fundamental to the Church’s understanding of the priesthood. The priest represents God who reveals Himself as “Father” (Scripture never uses a female pronoun to refer to God). The priest acts in the person of Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, who became human as a man. The priest not only represents God ex officio, by virtue of his appointment as a minister. In the Sacrament of Holy Orders, the priest is conformed to the character of Christ the priest at the very level of his being, an ontological change, leaving an indelible mark. The priest is made permanently into a living symbol of God. It is just who God is, and how God relates to us, that is the point of disagreement.

Those who say women ought to be ordained are saying that the Church’s teaching on the Sacrament of Holy Orders is wrong, and we should not be surprised when we find that this is not the only area in which they believe the Church has erred. Female ordination advocates also routinely promote abortion, contraception, same-sex relationships, and any other of a number of the “usual suspects” of dissenters. They do not simply want to serve the Church; they want to change the Church.

The Old Roman VIEW can’t help but wonder if the contemporary Roman Church will soon experience what all those denominations who have ordained women with equivalence to men have experienced i.e. division, schism, apostasy and decline…

The following poster has been on display in a church in Rome in a presentation about the Amazon and the Synod…

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
George Orwell, Animal Farm

Old Romans and the Papacy

The Primus discusses the question “Is Pope Francis a heretic?

An issue that has often frustrated the Old Roman mission is the confusion by some people of us with so-called Traditional Catholics. Why “so-called“? Because we Old Romans are THE Traditional Roman Catholics sine qua non! Why? We have preserved most faithfully the perennial Tradition, customs, devotions and ethos of the Catholic Church consistent with the Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic faith. Aside from the cultural, devotional and liturgical similarities between us, perhaps the confusion may best be explained by the similarity in regard we often share for the contemporary Papacy. The difference between us however, goes a lot further than the Second Vatican Council. To keep things as simple as possible, we’ll use the terms and terminology most familiar to contemporary Traditional Catholics.

Sedevacantism is the position held by some traditionalist Catholics that the present occupier of the Holy See is not truly pope due to the mainstream church’s espousal of what they see as the heresy of modernism since Vatican II.

Sedeprivationism is the position held by those who believe that while the current occupant of the papacy is a duly elected pope, unless he recants the changes brought by Vatican II, he lacks authority to either teach or govern.

Sedeplenist, to signify the mind of those Catholics like the SSPX who believe the Novus Ordo popes are full fledged popes yet have substantially erred in the teaching of faith and morals to warrant resistance to their government.

Sedeprivationism is probably the term that most closely resembles the position of Old Romans with regard to the Papacy. The word sedeprivationism is an amalgamation of two words, sede and deprivation, into a single descriptive term coined by William J. Morgan, an English layman and a sedevacantist apologist. Sedeprivationists hold the view of the late Dominican theologian, Mgr Guérard des Lauriers, that the Conciliar popes were “materially ‘Pope’ only”. That is, that the Papal conclaves have been valid, though those elected have never actually become Pope, but have never forfeited their canonical claim on the Papacy.

This analysis follows the principles of the late French theologian, Bishop Michel Louis Guerard des Lauriers, O.P. who presented his thesis in a publication with the title Cahiers de Cassiciacum and therefore called commonly the Cassiciacum Thesis. The thesis opines that the See of Peter can only be obtained and held in conformity with two mandatory requirements:

  • That the pope is elected legitimately by valid designated electors, i.e. Cardinals. This aspect designates the papal candidate as materially elected “de jure” and designated i.e. potential candidate to the office of pope.
  • That the newly chosen pope-elect expresses his acceptance and that on giving his assent he receive from Christ the form of the papacy i.e. the indefectible power or authority by which the elected candidate formally becomes pope and actually takes hold of the office of the papacy “de facto”.

Now the Old Roman position has some similarity with that of the sedeprivationists, in that we would recognise that the Cardinal electors and the conclaves have legitimacy – in the sense that they followed the canonical i.e. mechanical legal processes, and we would accept that such an elected candidate has the potential to be Pope. Likewise, Old Romans would likely recognise a Pope who renounced and denounced the errors and heresies of Vatican II and Vatican I. But, on the question of authority de jure and de facto, we Old Romans would have to insist with our Orthodox brethren upon a Petrine Ministry exercised in consistency with the first millennium, pre-schism understanding within the context of the Pentarchy i.e. a refutation of “Pastor aeternus” and a reversal to the Conciliar consensus of the universal Church’s infallible magisterium concerning dogma, doctrine and the exercise of the apostolic ministry of the episcopate.

Ask a bishop…

A new weekly broadcast invites viewers on Facebook to “Ask a bishop” a question on any subject connected with the Faith and Christian life, in real time. The “live and interactive” show is hosted by Metropolitan Jerome of Selsey and is broadcast via The Brighton Oratory’s Facebook page every Wednesday from 7pm BST (GMT).

An Old Roman – St Lidwina of Schiedam

“An Old Roman” is a weekly look at significant Old Romans in Church history…

Saint Lidwina, alternately known as Lydwine or Lydwid, was born March (or April) 18, 1380, at Schiedam in the Netherlands. Her father was a minor nobleman and her mother was a peasant. She was a pious child with a strong devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Lidwina had resolved at a young age to enter religious life although she would never realise this aspiration.

At age 15, Lidwina took a hard fall on ice while skating with friends. She broke a rib that failed to heal properly. Her injury soon became gangrenous, and over several years this infection spread throughout her body leaving her mostly paralyzed. Her body putrefied over time. She suffered terrible fevers and horrible effects from the illness.

As the disease progressed, Lidwina gradually ceased eating. In time, portions of skin and bone fell from her body whilst blood and puss oozed from her body. Her great physical suffering joined with her repugnant appearance led some persons to believe that she was possessed by a demon. As test for a presence of the diabolical, a priest brought her an unconsecrated host which Lidwina immediately identified as such. He and others became satisfied that, far from demonic possession, Lidwina was filled with the life of God.

Despite her great suffering, Lidwina never faltered in her faith. Rather, the sufferings enabled her to increase in the life of grace. She developed deep devotion to the Blessed Sacrament that became her only food for the last nineteen years of her life. Further, Lidwina began to experience ecstatic visions in which she was shown heaven and purgatory, participated in our Lord’s Passion, and was visited by various saints. Her sufferings were transformed through prayer and self-offering into a vehicle for her salvation and the edification of others. Lidwina prayed ceaselessly and miracles began to be reported at her bedside.

On April 14, 1433, Lidwina received an apparition of our Lord coming to administer Extreme Unction for her. She died later that day—the Feast of our Lord’s Resurrection. Her grave became a popular pilgrimage site so that in 1434 a chapel was built at the location. In 1615, Lidwina’s relics were translated to Brussels, but in 1871 they were returned to Schiedam. She was canonized by Pope Leo XIII in 1980. Lidwina’s feast day is kept on 14 April (also 18 March or 14 June in some regions of the Low Countries). She is the patroness of ice skaters and the chronically ill.

Saint Lidwina of Schiedam (1380-1433)

FEATURE – Old Roman religious life

If you are interested in exploring religious life as an Old Roman, why not visit the CDC pages for more information…

Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King

The Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King are unique because, they can be people that you see in everyday life. You could be right next to a friar at work, shopping in the grocery store, or going for a walk in the park! They greatly cherish the the teaching of Saint Francis of Assisi to, “Preach the Gospel at all times, and if necessary, use words”. The Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King is meant for anyone that wants to incorporate penance, prayer, and service into their everyday lives, following the example of Saint Francis of Assisi.

The Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King are Third Order Regulars of St Francis. Tertiaries (from the Latin tertiarius, relative to “third”), or what are known as “Third Orders”, are those persons who live according to the Third Rule of religious orders, either in a religious community or outside of a monastery in the world. The Third Order Regular Franciscans developed in the early 13th century from the convergence of groups of penitents, who were inspired by the life of Saint Francis. Sometime between 1209 and 1220, Saint Francis communicated with some of these groups through a series of letters entitled the “Exhortations to the Brothers and Sisters of Penance”.

The idea which forms the basis of this institute is in general that persons who on account of certain circumstances cannot enter a conventional religious order may nevertheless enjoy the advantages and privileges of religious orders an live the religious life. By the 15th century, numerous individuals living under the Rule of the Third Order were living in small communities, many leading an eremetical life. A papal decree of 1447 organised the more isolated communities into a new and separate religious order with its own rule of life. From that point, members were defined as Third Order Regular (T.O.R.; i.e. living under a Regula or “Rule”), who lived a communal life. The Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King live such a communal life in Chicago, IL and make vows of Poverty, Chastity, and Obedience, for the rest of their lives, after several years of discernment through Postulancy, Novitiate and Simple Profession.

Members of the Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King follow the spirit of the Rule of 1221. It is very clear that 800 years and a continent separate the original founders of the Franciscan Order from today’s members. Because of this, it is important to emphasise that following the spirit of the rule is preferable to a direct and literal interpretation. The Franciscan charism is focused on the role of simplicity and prayer. Poverty, as expressed in the Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King is not relinquishing all possessions. Rather, it is diligently working to relinquish the love of possessions. The vow of chastity reflects the different states of lives of our members. Obedience is being obedient to the community and responsive to the needs of others. These core vows are the foundation on which our Order is built. These vows help the members of the Order, to “be in the world, but not of the world”.

If you’re interested to know more about the Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King, or if you’d like more information about the Friary in Chicago, please visit their website.

FOCUS – meet an Old Roman!

Every week meet individuals, faithful or clergy from around the Communion! This week…

Bro Juniper n/CDC talks about the ongoing development of the foundational Bristol Oratory…


Don’t forget that Mass is broadcast live everyday and the recording available to view on YouTube via the playlist below. The Mass Propers are posted online here. IF you would like a Mass offered for your intention please use the Prayer Request form below stating in the message that it is a Mass intention.


One of the greatest impediments to evangelism in the 21C is not the ignorance of non-believers, but of believers! Catechism Classes are currently ongoing around the Communion for all levels of students, those exploring or converting to the faith, those being brought up in the faith and those preparing to be Baptised/Confirmed in the faith.

BACOOR (Philippines) the Mission Parish of Jesus the Divine Mercy offers a catechetical Mass for children on Sunday’s from 10am.

BRIGHTON (UK) the Brighton Oratory holds Catechism Conferences on Saturday mornings for those wishing to deepen and better understand their faith, from 10am following coffee and fellowship after the 0830 Mass.

CHICAGO (USA) the Mission Parish of St Anne‘s is holding classes for explorers and converts contact Fr Thomas Gierke OSF for more information [contact details below].

Of your charity…

For health & well-being…

Christopher, Lyn B, Simon G, Dagmar B, Karen, Debbie G, Fr Graham F, Fr Stephen D, Heather & Susanna L-D, Finley G, Diane C, Pat, Paul, +Rommel B, Penny E, Colin R, John, Ronald, Fr Gerard H, Lilian & family, Ruth L, David G, David P, Patrick H, Debbie G, Karen K, Fr Graham F, S&A, Dave G, +Charles of Wisconsin, +Tissier, Fr Terrence M, +Guo Xijin, +John P, Karl R-W, Fr Antonio Benedetto OSB, Fr Kristopher M & family, Mark Coggan, Ounissa, Ronald Buczek, Rik C, Adrian & Joan Kelly, Juanita Alaniz & family,

For those vocationally discerning…

James, Breandán, Manuel, Vincent, Darren, Akos, Roger, James, Adrian, Carlos, Thomas, Yordanis, Nicholas, Tyler, 

For the recently departed…

Lauretta (21.01.19), Clive Reed (23.01.19), Fr John Wright (24.01.19), Shelley Luben (11.12.18), Mick Howells (13.12.18), Daniel Callaghan (13.02.19), Alfie (Hub guest), Père Pierre Fournier (08.02.19), Jill Lewis (24.02.19), Cynthia Sharpe Conger (28.02.19), Richard (Ricky) Belmonte, Fr Leo Cameron OSA (29.03.19), Fr John Corbett (30.03.19), Deacon Richard Mulholland (Easter Day), Peter, Bernard Brown (27.06.19), Peter Ellis (01.08.19), Petronila Antonio (10.09.19), Fr Mark Spring (13.09.19), Jean Marchant (15.09.19)

For those who mourn…

Barbara R & family, Brenda W & family, Joseph S, Catherine L & family, Rev George C & family, Jean C, Margaret & Bonita C, Debbie M & family, Phil E & Family

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Mass Centre Directory

If you would like your mission’s Mass times and other activities included here just submit details via email.


PHILIPPINESBacoor Parish of Jesus the Divine Mercy, Copper St. Platinum Ville, San Nicolas III, Bacoor, Province of Cavite

1000Mass & Children’s Catechesis
1st Wed’s1900Mass & O.L. of Perpetual Succour Devotions
1st Frids’1900Mass & Sacred Heart Devotions

PHILIPPINES, Lagunas Parish of San Isidro Labrador, Dita, Sta. Rosa

1st Wed’s1900Mass & O.L. Perpetual Succour Devotions
1st Fri’s1900Mass & Sacred Heart Devotions


UK, Brighton The Brighton Oratory of SS Cuthman & Wilfrid, 1-6 Park Crescent Terrace, Brighton BN2 3HD Telephone +44 7423 074517

Sundays0830Mass & homily
& Daily1000Breaking fast
Wed’s1730Holy Hour & Benediction
Sat’s0830Mass & homily
1000Catechism Conference

UK, Bristol The Little Oratory of Our Lady of Walsingham with Saint Francis, 11 The Primroses, Hartcliffe, Bristol, BS13 0BG

Sundays1030Sermon & Holy Communion


USA, Chicago IL Parish Mission of St Anne, Church of the Atonement, 5749 North Kenmore Avenue, Chicago, IL 60660 Telephone: (773) 817 – 5818

Sundays1800Mass & homily (2nd of the month)
Wed’s1930Catechism & Reception Class

USA, Chicago IL Missionary Franciscans of Christ the King, The Friary


USA, Glendale AZ St. Joseph’s Glendale AZ. Contact address: 7800 N 55th Ave Unit 102162 Glendale AZ 85301 Telephone +1 310 995 3126


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